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		+	\|head=Venetica - Potentially Certified
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		+	\|body=Ergonpandilus posted a Detailed Report for '''[http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=20167 Venetica]'''. The game offers Native Hor+ support with a proper HUD, though it isn't centered in multi-monitor. Cut-scenes are Hor+
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Master Games List - D

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		+	{{News entry
		+	\|head=Win a Radeon HD 5770 IceQ 5 Turbo from HIS
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		+	\|body=WSGF members - We have some great prizes provided by HIS and AMD to give away! '''[http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/contest.php See how you can get the chance to win an ATI Radeon HD 5770 IceQ5 Turbo from HIS.]''' Additionally, we have copies of Dirt 2 and STALKER to give away each week for the duration of the contest.
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NVIDIA 3D Vision Surround FAQ

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	====Can I use different monitor sizes?====		====Can I use different monitor sizes?====
-	Yes. However, each monitor ~~in an Eyefinity group~~ must display the same resolution - and they will default to the lowest common denominator. Two displays at 1680x1050 and one display at 1920x1200 will all display a 1680x1050 image - stretching that image across the 1920x1200 display. If you utilize different aspect rations (i.e., 2x 1920x1080 and 1x 1920x1200), the image on the "odd display" will either be letterboxed or stretched.	+	Yes and No.
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		+	For Surround (2D), you can use different monitors sizes. However, each monitor must display the same resolution - and they will default to the lowest common denominator. Two displays at 1680x1050 and one display at 1920x1200 will all display a 1680x1050 image - stretching that image across the 1920x1200 display. If you utilize different aspect rations (i.e., 2x 1920x1080 and 1x 1920x1200), the image on the "odd display" will either be letterboxed or stretched.
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		+	For 3D Vision Surround, each monitor must be of the exact same make and model.

	==Software==		==Software==

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		+	\|body=ATI recently announced immediate availability of '''[[ATI_Eyefinity_-_Ecosystem_September_2010\|Single-Link DVI > DisplayPort Adapters]]''' for Eyefinity. The adapters are immediately available from suppliers such as Accell and Sapphire. The support a maximum resolution of 1920x1200, and do not require any external power. I was able to get hands on with them. They are simply plug and play, need to drivers and simply work.
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ATI Eyefinity - Ecosystem September 2010

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	This is good news for gamers of all stripes. The more traction that multi-monitor gaming gets from a hardware standpoint, the better support developers will provide in their games. Over the past year we have seen more and more games have better "basic" support for multi-monitor, and I hope the success of Eyefinity points to even better support in the future.		This is good news for gamers of all stripes. The more traction that multi-monitor gaming gets from a hardware standpoint, the better support developers will provide in their games. Over the past year we have seen more and more games have better "basic" support for multi-monitor, and I hope the success of Eyefinity points to even better support in the future.

		+	<blockquote>
	==Penetration of HD 5000 Series==		==Penetration of HD 5000 Series==
-	[[File:atisteamdx11.jpg\|right\|thumb\|~~225px~~\|Radeon 5000 in Steam DX11 survey]] In three quarters, AMD has shipped over 16 million Radeon 5000 SKUs. With each of these supporting Eyefinity, that puts a potentially large user base into the market. Based on these shipments (and the late release of the NVIDIA GTX400 series), ATI now has [http://techreport.com/discussions.x/19362 51% of the discrete graphics market].	+	[[File:atisteamdx11.jpg\|right\|thumb\|300px\|Radeon 5000 Series in Series in Steam DX11 survey]] In three quarters, AMD has shipped over 16 million Radeon 5000 SKUs. With each of these supporting Eyefinity, that puts a potentially large user base into the market. Based on these shipments (and the late release of the NVIDIA GTX400 series), ATI now has [http://techreport.com/discussions.x/19362 51% of the discrete graphics market].
		+
		+	Additionally, looking at the [http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/ DX11 GPU] usage in the [http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/ Steam Hardware Survey], ATI has a commanding lead with almost 92% of the DX11 install base. ATI obviously jumped out to an early lead in the DX11 space, but NVIDIA will surely begin to recover market share in this newest class with the continued roll-out of its GTX400 series (SKUs like the GTX460 in particular).

-	Additionally, looking at the [http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/ DX11 GPU] usage in the [http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/ Steam Hardware Survey], ATI has a commanding lead with almost 92% of the DX11 install base. ATI obviously jumped out to an early lead in the DX11 space, but NVIDIA will surely begin to recover market share in this newest class with the continued roll-out of its GTX400 series (SKUs like the GTX460 in particular). However, the [http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33967675 leaks] around the pending [http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=33967764 6000-series] should keep things interesting the GPU leap-frog.	+	However, the [http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33967675 leaks] around the pending [http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=33967764 6000-series] should keep things interesting in the GPU leap-frog.

	==Developer Adoption of Eyefinity==		==Developer Adoption of Eyefinity==
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	==More DP Monitors Available==		==More DP Monitors Available==
		+	A year ago DisplayPort monitors were few and far between, and they tended to be larger high-end monitors with matching price tags. Over this past year, DP monitors have become ubiquitous reaching though the upper-end into the mid-range monitors. By way of example, each widescreen monitor in HP's commercial "Advantage" and "Professional" lines has a DisplayPort input. This includes sub-$250 TN models and sub-$300 IPS models. And HP is not alone with this type of DisplayPort adoption, with Dell and Apple offering similar adoption.

	==ATI Value Proposition==		==ATI Value Proposition==
		+	ATI has always billed its Radeon HD 5000 series as a strong value for the price/performance ratio. They made great strides in noise, heat and power consumption over their previous generation, as well as the the offerings from NVIDIA. Eyefinity requires at least one DisplayPort connection, and that adds an inherent cost to the setup as either new monitors or adapters must be purchased.

		+	[http://pcper.com/article.php?aid=946&type=expert&pid=8 PC Perspective] talked about the price of a multi-monitor setup in their review of NVIDIA 3DVS, and compared the total costs of ATI Eyefinity to NVIDIA 3D Vision Surround (which requires SLI). Lowering the cost of the DisplayPort adapter makes a significant change to the total investment for Eyefinity. Couple this with the mid-range cards released in the last year, and Eyefinity is a significantly better value than it was at launch.

-	=The Future=	+	</blockquote>
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		+	=Conclusion & The Future=
		+	ATI has done a lot over the last year to promote and improve the value of its Eyefinity platform. Relevant monitors (including IPS monitors) are considerably cheaper, and Active DisplayPort adapters are now significantly cheaper. Mid range cards (HD 5850) are available for under $300, and CrossFireX performance has been solidified so multi-GPU can be had for $500-$600. Add to this that the Radeon 6000-series seems to be around the corner, with the expected HD 6800 SKU performing on par with the HD 5970 multi-GPU card.
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		+	I agree with ATI that Eyefinity is a mature platform, and we're about to hit the second generation of the platform with the HD 6000-series. With the newly available Single-Link DVI adapters, the entry price for new Eyefinity users is much lower - as is the potential frustration level. With continued competition with NVIDIA in the multi-monitor space, the future is bright and immersive.
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		+	=Links=
		+	'''[[WSGF_Benchmarking\|WSGF Benchmarking Suite]]'''<br>
		+	'''[[ATI_Radeon_CFX_-_Featured_Review\|CrossFireX Benchmarks]]'''<br>
		+	'''[[ATI Catalyst Eyefinity Feature Changelog]]'''<br>


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		+	[[Category:Featured Reviews]]
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	The new adapter costs just $30, requires no external power, and in testing does suffer from any of the blanking issues that drove original adopters to passive DP > VGA adapters. Considering the win-win-win of the Single Link Active Adapter, I posed the following Question to Evan Groenke, of AMD's Global Communications division:		The new adapter costs just $30, requires no external power, and in testing does suffer from any of the blanking issues that drove original adopters to passive DP > VGA adapters. Considering the win-win-win of the Single Link Active Adapter, I posed the following Question to Evan Groenke, of AMD's Global Communications division:

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-	'''Q (WSGF)''': "It would seem that the vast majority of users didn't need greater than 1920x1200, and didn't need a Dual-Link adapter. Why ~~are~~ these adapters not available at the initial release of Eyefinity?"	+	\|-
		+	\| '''Q (WSGF)''': "It would seem that the vast majority of users didn't need greater than 1920x1200, and thus didn't need a Dual-Link adapter. Why were these adapters not available at the initial release of Eyefinity?"
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-	'''A (Evan)''': "Firstly, the DL-DVI adapters already existed and ~~were available from adapters~~ were available from Apple in miniDP to DL-DVI form, as well as Dell had an adapter available around the launch time of the ATI Radeon HD 5000 series. With adapters already available we worked with the vendors to qualify their firmware with the ATI Radeon HD 5000 Series. Also the spec already has the capability to pass single link DVI outputs passively so at a first glance it is counter intuitive to create active SL-DVI when the spec can do it more cheaply passively. Another factor contributing to this is that the DL-DVI dongle is made from off the shelf ASICs (TMDS transmitter, DP receiver, etc.), whereas the SL-DVI dongle is a single new ASIC that combines all of these functions into a single piece of silicon.	+	'''A (Evan)''': "Firstly, the DL-DVI adapters already existed and were available from Apple in miniDP to DL-DVI form, as well as Dell had an adapter available around the launch time of the ATI Radeon HD 5000 series. With adapters already available we worked with the vendors to qualify their firmware with the ATI Radeon HD 5000 Series. Also the spec already has the capability to pass single link DVI outputs passively so at a first glance it is counter intuitive to create active SL-DVI when the spec can do it more cheaply passively. Another factor contributing to this is that the DL-DVI dongle is made from off the shelf ASICs (TMDS transmitter, DP receiver, etc.), whereas the SL-DVI dongle is a single new ASIC that combines all of these functions into a single piece of silicon.
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	The new demand for active SL-DVI-to-DP adapters really arose because of the way Eyefinity is implemented, so part of it was showing the vendors the demand for such a product to make the adapters in the first place. That could only happen when people had seen the positive reaction to Eyefinity. In essence, the fact that these adapters are here now is tantamount to and as validation of the success of Eyefinity."		The new demand for active SL-DVI-to-DP adapters really arose because of the way Eyefinity is implemented, so part of it was showing the vendors the demand for such a product to make the adapters in the first place. That could only happen when people had seen the positive reaction to Eyefinity. In essence, the fact that these adapters are here now is tantamount to and as validation of the success of Eyefinity."
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	==Installation==		==Installation==
	The installation couldn't be simpler. You plug the adapter into the DVI cable, and then plug the DP connector into your video card. If hot plugging while your PC is booted, you need to attach the adapter to the cable first. There are no drivers to load, and it is not dependent on any particular version of the Catalyst driver set. There is also no external power needed.		The installation couldn't be simpler. You plug the adapter into the DVI cable, and then plug the DP connector into your video card. If hot plugging while your PC is booted, you need to attach the adapter to the cable first. There are no drivers to load, and it is not dependent on any particular version of the Catalyst driver set. There is also no external power needed.
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		+	[[File:efadapt2.jpg\|left\|thumb\|225px\|DVI-D Connector]] [[File:efadapt3.jpg\|left\|thumb\|225px\|DP & Mini-DP Connectors]] [[File:efadapt1.jpg\|left\|thumb\|225px\|Adpater on Eyefinity6 Card]] <br clear="all" />

	==Support==		==Support==
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	==Performance==		==Performance==
-	The part just works. I'm running a pair of Eyefinity6 cards in CrossFireX. I am using Mini-DP > DP cables to my five monitors in portrait. I grabbed a DVI cable, and swapped the cable+adapter for my mini-DP cable in the first connector. I booted, and it worked. BIOS screens loaded (it's an electrical adapter - no drivers), as did Windows 7. I swapped resolutions, and ran through five different profiles: 5x1-L (Extended), 5x1-P (Extended), 1-P + 3x1-P (EF Group) + 1-P, 3x1-P (EF Group) ~~and then just my~~ HDTV off of port #6.	+	The part just works. I'm running a pair of Eyefinity6 cards in CrossFireX. I am using Mini-DP > DP cables to my five monitors in portrait. I grabbed a DVI cable, and swapped the cable+adapter for my mini-DP cable in the first connector. I booted, and it worked. BIOS screens loaded (it's an electrical adapter - no drivers), as did Windows 7. I swapped resolutions, and ran through five different profiles:
		+	* 5x1-L (Extended)
		+	* 5x1-P (Extended)
		+	* 1-P + 3x1-P (EF Group) + 1-P
		+	* 3x1-P (EF Group)
		+	* HDTV off of port #6.

-	In the last two configurations the monitor connected to the adapter was off. The adapter had no problem with switching resolutions, configurations or orientations. It also had no problem being taken out of the active profile, and being turned back on. I've never had to use a DP adapters, as I bought DP screens for my Eyefinity rig. I did have blanking on the 10.3 and 10.4 drivers (so I know what it looks like). I had no blanking or flickering with any resolution or configuration change.	+	In the last two configurations the monitor connected to the adapter was off. The adapter had no problem with switching resolutions, configurations or orientations. It also had no problem being taken out of the active profile, and being turned back on. I've never had to use a DP adapters, as I bought DP screens for my Eyefinity rig.
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		+	I did have blanking on the 10.3 and 10.4 drivers (so I know what it looks like). But my blanking issues were fixed with Catalyst 10.7 I had no blanking or flickering with any resolution or configuration change. Over reviewers such as [http://www.rage3d.com/reviews/video/ati_eyefinity_ecosystem_update/ Rage3D] (see page two) have had similar success.

	==Availability==		==Availability==
	The new adapters will be available from manufacturers such as XFX, PowerColor, Wieson, Accell and Sapphire (and more). The parts will be available from online retailers such as NCIX, Memory Express, Micro Center, and Amazon.com (among others).		The new adapters will be available from manufacturers such as XFX, PowerColor, Wieson, Accell and Sapphire (and more). The parts will be available from online retailers such as NCIX, Memory Express, Micro Center, and Amazon.com (among others).

-	~~==Pictures==~~	+	Additionally, GPU vendors will be including the adapters with certain Radeon 5000 SKUs as part of a bundle. While pricing hasn't been revealed by any of ATI's partners, we expect somewhere between the base price of the board and the additional $30 of the adapter.

-	~~[[File:efadapt1.jpg\|left\|thumb\|225px\|Dongle on E6 Card]] [[File:efadapt2.jpg\|left\|thumb\|225px\|DVI-D Connector]] [[File:efadapt3.jpg\|left\|thumb\|225px\|DP & Mini-DP Connectors]]~~ [[File:efadapt5.jpg\|left\|thumb\|225px\|DP Adapter & HD 5870]] [[File:efadapt6.jpg\|left\|thumb\|225px\|DP Adapter Connected to HD 5870]] [[File:efadapt8.jpg\|left\|thumb\|225px\|Mini-DP Adapter Connected to HD 5970]]	+	==Additional Pictures==
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		+	[[File:efadapt5.jpg\|left\|thumb\|225px\|DP Adapter & HD 5870]] [[File:efadapt6.jpg\|left\|thumb\|225px\|DP Adapter Connected to HD 5870]] [[File:efadapt8.jpg\|left\|thumb\|225px\|Mini-DP Adapter Connected to HD 5970]]
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	==Penetration of HD 5000 Series==		==Penetration of HD 5000 Series==
		+	[[File:atisteamdx11.jpg\|right\|thumb\|225px\|Radeon 5000 in Steam DX11 survey]] In three quarters, AMD has shipped over 16 million Radeon 5000 SKUs. With each of these supporting Eyefinity, that puts a potentially large user base into the market. Based on these shipments (and the late release of the NVIDIA GTX400 series), ATI now has [http://techreport.com/discussions.x/19362 51% of the discrete graphics market].
		+
		+	Additionally, looking at the [http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/ DX11 GPU] usage in the [http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/ Steam Hardware Survey], ATI has a commanding lead with almost 92% of the DX11 install base. ATI obviously jumped out to an early lead in the DX11 space, but NVIDIA will surely begin to recover market share in this newest class with the continued roll-out of its GTX400 series (SKUs like the GTX460 in particular). However, the [http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33967675 leaks] around the pending [http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=33967764 6000-series] should keep things interesting the GPU leap-frog.

	==Developer Adoption of Eyefinity==		==Developer Adoption of Eyefinity==
		+	ATI continues to tout growing support of the Eyefinity platform in top tier games. With the release ([http://developer.amd.com/gpu/ADLSDK/Pages/default.aspx and continued updating]) of the open source [http://sites.amd.com/us/underground/products/eyefinity/Pages/eyefinity-sdk.aspx Eyefinity SDK], ATI has provided tools to ease developers into supporting Eyefinity and multi-monitor. While much of the much of the SDK is devoted to Eyefinity-specific implementations (based on reading info from an Eyefinity Display Group), the basis of the SDK is universal to any multi-monitor environment. This attitude helps ensure that all gamers benefit from ATI's work, and that no gamers are left without support.
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		+	While we've had some disappointments (Mass Effect 2), some games patched late (Bioshock 2), and some games that continue to need fan-made hacks (StarCraft II), ATI has secured strong support from many developers. Support of Eyefinity is a growing trend, and the chart below is a reflection of their current support.
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	==More DP Monitors Available==		==More DP Monitors Available==